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摘 要:“2019年是制度化和兼并的一年;从技术角度来分析,我认为是与实际落地的项目建立联系的一年,我觉得这很重要。”

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摘 要:“2019年是制度化和兼并的一年;从技术角度来分析,我认为是与实际落地的项目建立联系的一年,我觉得这很重要。”

《加油站》韩国站第14期访谈实录:

-Guest info-

Junhaeng Lee

CEO of GOPAX

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Vivian:大家好,我叫Vivian Kim,是今天的主持人,来自Blockinpress。首先我来简单介绍一下今天的重量级嘉宾:Lee, Junhaeng。Lee, Junhaeng先生是GOPAX的CEO,也是在韩国致力于构建正确加密货币文化的标杆人物。那接下来就让我们正式进入采访环节吧?

Hello, Mr. Lee, Junhaeng. Mr. Lee, CEO of GOPAX, is one of the prominent leaders in promoting ideal Cryptocurrencyculture in Korea. I am Vivian Kim from Blockinpress, your host today.

Shall we begin aninterview?

首先请您简单介绍一下自己、GOPAX和Streami吧?(您的专业是哈佛大学历史系,但后来却进入区块链行业!我想这部分会很有趣。)

Please introduce yourself and GOPAX/Streami(It is interestingthat you engage in crypto industry after studying History at HarvardUniversity).

Junhaeng Lee:我于2015年成立了Streami,致力于构建加密货币金融服务基础建设。当新韩银行导入POC (Proof of Concept)把加密货币当做桥梁货币(Bridge currency)用于提供汇款服务或汇款解决方案时,Streami获得了新韩银行和国内其他投资公司的种子轮融资。汇款服务其实最终是和各个国家的交易所建立联系,以最好的汇率提供汇款和收款(法币或者BTC/ETH)交易服务。另外,把在两个国家都有牌照的项目方连接起来,这样就可以形成资金流,Streami建立的就是这样一种模型。2016年中期,Streami完成了模型开发并与完成与新韩银行的合作。之后,正当我们考虑下一阶段的项目计划时,有几家交易所遭遇黑客攻击。看着这些我开始萌生自己做交易所的想法。于是我们于2016年10月份开始筹备GOPAX,到2017年11月正式上线。现在GOPAX已经趋于稳定,得益于大家的支持,GOPAX已发展成为韩国国内最大的几个交易所之一。

I founded Streami in 2015 to build financial service infrastructure for crypto currency. When Shinhan bank conducted POC (Proof of Concept) on remittance solution/service using cryptocurrency as bridge currency in 2015, Streami received seed money from Shinhan bank and Korea VCs. Business model for remittance solution/service is to connect with various Exchanges around the world, to provide better exchange rate by trading currencies of remitter and remittee, and cryptocurrencies including BTC/ETH, and to create capital flow by connecting licensed businessmen. In mid-2016, we finished the development of Streami and integrated with Shinhan bank. Looking at hacking incidents at several exchanges, we decided to run our own exchanges as our next project. We started to develop GOPAX in October 2016 and launched it in November 2017. Thanks to your support, GOPAX has become one of the major exchanges in Korea.

Vivian:我知道您是Fenbushi Capital投资的为数不多的几个区块链企业家。

You are one of the few Korean blockchainers that Fenbushi Capital invested in.

Junhaeng Lee:

是的,2016年初,JeffPaik在Fenbushi工作的时候曾经访问过我们公司。正是因为那时结下的缘分,我们公司在2016年5月份获得了Fenbushi 和DCG的bridge investment。接下来我来解释一下我为什么会进入区块链行业。对我而言,我进入区块链行业是一件非常顺其自然的事情。不是说我有先见之明看到了这个产业的潜力,而是由于我学的、我经历过的,我自然而然就做去区块链了。读大学时我上过金融历史课,课上学过的东西有助于我理解比特币本身所拥有的社会意义。服兵役时我曾去过伊拉克,在伊拉克我对支撑现有金融体系的“政治经济”有了自己的想法。之后2008年发生了金融危机,撤兵回到韩国。虽然当时和经济基础(fundamental)没有任何关系,但韩元的价值依旧不断下跌;我还目睹了“占领华尔街运动”。在当时的情况下,我对货币体系越来越感兴趣。毕业工作后,我想自己做项目。偶然的机会,2016年底我知道了比特币,刚开始我把比特币看作是钱和资产,就像以前“金”的出现刷新了“钱”的概念,同样,我也把比特币作为钱的技术改革。另一方面,把它看作是资产群的时候,比特币也非常有魅力,因为发行人无法被控制。我还参加了很多的会议、学习了很多比特币相关知识,其中尤其有我比较陌生的计算机工学概念。这样慢慢地我开始理解区块链的真正意义,从而自然而然地进入到了这个领域。

Yes, I am. Jaff Paik,then-Fenbushi guy, visited my office in early 2016. His visit led us to receivebridge investment from Fenbushi and DCG. I entered crypto industry somewhatnaturally. It was not like I had foresight, but my studies and experiencesguided me to crypto world. Finance history class at college helped me tounderstand social implications that Bitcoin has. When serving the army andbeing dispatched to Iraq, I thought about so called “politics economy” proppingup the modern financial system. We were withdrawn from Iraq during the 2008Global Financial Crisis. While witnessing depreciating Korean Won regardless ofhow strong its fundamentals is and “Occupy Wall Street” movement, I grew myinterest in the currency system. After graduating from college, I startedworking at a company. While planning to start my own business, I leaned aboutBitcoin in late 2014. I saw it as”money” and “asset”, and technology toinnovate currency as “gold” did in old days. I was enthralled by the fact thatissuers cannot be controlled, and joined numerous conferences and even studiedcomputer engineering to get to know the concept of Blockchain better. I jumpedin this industry eventually.

Vivian:最近我听说您要把业务扩展到印度尼西亚,您选择印度尼西亚的理由是什么?有什么期待效果吗?还有其他想要扩展业务的国家吗?

I heard you expanded your business to Indonesia recently. Can you tell us the reason you chose Indonesia and expectations? Where can be the next destination?

Junhaeng Lee:简单来说有两点:

  1. 遇到了好的合作伙伴;
  2. 没有额外的成本。

Simply put, there aretwo main reasons.

  1. I met good localpartners.
  2. No extra fees areneeded.

我认为长期来看,印度尼西亚等发展中国家是发展区快链项目的最好选择。中国由于信用卡机制不完善所以出现了支付宝和微信支付。从另一个角度来看,就是跨越一个阶段实现发展。

我认为印度尼西亚是一个实现区块链实际应用的最有据点,因为印度尼西亚人中大部分使用银行账户;但随着智能手机的普及速度不断加快;20多岁和30多岁的人口比例大,这些人口更容易接受区块链。鉴于此,我认为我们要提供好的基础设施给印度尼西亚。

In the long termperspective, developing countries like Indonesia have huge potential for Blockchain.For example, in China, Alipay and Wechat saw great success in a short period oftime due to lagging infrastructure for credit card. I thought Indonesia can bea great hub for creating Blockchain use case, because 1) most Indonesians havebank accounts, 2)Smart phone penetration is accelerating, 3) 20’s and 30’stakes up most of its population who are open to cryptos. We decided to providea quality infrastructure for them.

另外,我们对其他市场也是时刻敞开着大门的,就像刚刚说的,遇见一个可以一起做事且可信任的合作伙伴非常重要。比如,在泰国有运营合作公司在帮我们申请牌照,计划3月出牌照、6月就可在泰国上线,不过目前来看稍微有些延迟,牌照还没有出来。

We are open to othermarkets. It is very important to meet trusted partners whom we can share thevision with. Our Thai partner is going through licensing process at the moment.We expected the license in March, but it was somewhat delayed.

Vivian:最近有很多的加密货币交易所的业务呈现多样化,您有什么计划吗?

Recently, many cryptoexchanges are diversifying their business portfolios. What is your plan?

Junhaeng Lee:实际上,用多样化来形容可能稍微有点不准确,因为这些业务都是由交易所衍生(spin-off)而来的。比如,我们推出了DASK(Gopax的衍生服务),是一种升级的存款服务。它提供定制的存款服务,以满足公共机构客户的需求。

还有就像您刚刚说的,Gopax正在拓展海外业务,我们有很多想法,目前实现落地的项目就有两个:GOPAX和DASK。最重要的是,如果想要好好运营一家支持法币服务的交易所的话,要做的事情真的很多,我们目前主要致力于升级法币交易所需的基础设施。我们还有一些想法未实现商用化,这是因为我们和交易所运营商之间有些理解上的冲突。

We are mainlyfocusing on spin-offs from exchanges rather than business diversification. Welaunched DASK, a spin-off of GOPAX with upgraded deposit service. It provides acustomized deposit service catering to public institutional customers’ needs.

Our overseas expansion plan is also in linewith this principle. Although we are developing various ideas, only GOPAX andDASK are in commercial use. We are mainly focusing on upgrading underlyingtechnologies required for Fiat-crypto exchanges. For most of those developedideas which have potentially conflicting interests with our exchanges service,we are looking for a partner or company to take over and realize them,

Vivian:您前面说的DASK也曾是热议话题,具体有什么内容您能做个详细的介绍吗?

DASK service gainedlots of attention. Can you give us more details on this service?

Junhaeng Lee:DASK是能够实现“安全”“高效”“合法规”的存款项目,由满足以上三个条件必需的硬件、软件、运行软硬件的程序组成。另外DASK还提供界面服务,可配合韩国国内调查机构的需求来管理没收的虚拟货币和相关案件。Fiat-crypto法币交易所是和国家构建立联系的地方,我们经常和政府机构谈论一些事情。这里也是黑色资金多次试图流入的集结点。最终,在没有管制的情况下不能说要遵守管制规制。我们和当局进行交谈,从滥用的例子中总结经验,发现DASK是最合理的服务。

DASK is a depositproject that can save cyptos in “safe” and “efficient” way, and “in compliancewith the local law”. DASK consists of hardware, software, and operating processto meet those criteria. It provides interface to investigating agencies to takecare of confiscated cryptos and related crimes. As Fiat-crypto exchanges hasinterface with the government, we consult with governmental agencies often. Thisis where frequent attempts from black money are made. I am not saying wecomplied with the regulations, as there is no regulation formulated yet. Werealized the service considered ”ideal” after consulting with relevant authorities andanalyzing misusing cases.

Vivian:Binance Launchpad、Huobi Prime等IEO都是最近的发展趋势。我们想了解一下您对IEO的看法。还有去年的趋势是DEX 、交易所代币等,您对这些是怎么看待?今年的展望如何呢?

IEO like BinanceLaunchpad and HuobiPrime is emerging astrends these days. What is your take on IEO? What do you think about DEX andExchange Tokens, two major trends of 2018? What is your outlook for the newtrend in 2019?

Junhaeng Lee:IEO对大家来说,都是开放的。我认为Gopax应该支持有发展前景的项目,只要它们符合法律要求,无投资风险,无利益冲突即可。DEX就是一个Gopax大力支持的项目,我对交易所的代币其实没有很明确的想法。但有几个案例非常成功,这些项目真的是有很大的野心和前景。不过我很怀疑一些挖矿代币是否可长期持续发展。

I am open to IEO.GOPAX needs to support promising projects, as long as they are in compliantwith the law, can clearly explain investor’s risks and have no conflictinginterests with us. DEX is also one of the applications that we can support. Ido not have specific opinions for Exchange Tokens. There are some successfulstories with the dauntless vision, but I doubt if some of the mining tokens aresustainable in the longer term.

Vivian:您觉得一些项目有很大发展前景和潜力,理由是什么呢?

What do you mean by the dauntless vision?

Junhaeng Lee:因为交易所是区块链经济的核心,交易所发行的代币将会成为管理区块链生态的货币。这听起来非常棒。

I remember one stated his vision,“ Exchanges will be the center of Blockchain economy, and ExchangeTokens will be the money that controls the ecosystem.” This sounds daring and dauntless to me.

Vivian:那么今年交易所的发展前景如何呢?2019年是怎么的一年,您会用哪些词语来修饰?

What is the trend for Exchanges this year? What is the hottest topic/trend in 2019?

Junhaeng Lee:从项目角度来看,我认为2019年是制度化和兼并的一年;从技术角度来分析,我认为是与实际落地的项目建立联系的一年,我觉得这很重要。

In business wise,2019 will be the year of institutionalization and integration. Developing linkswith projects whose technologies are useful is important.

Vivian:啊哈!可以解释一下理由吗?

I see. Why do youthink so?

Junhaeng Lee:首先,制度化和兼并这两个趋势从单词的意义来看都是非常明了的,我就不多做解释了。韩国已经出台了《报告和使用特定金融交易信息相关法》修订案,实际上这是间接的引入许可制度的过程。我们再来看交易所的连接作用,2017年和2018年两年内大部分投资不问出处、ICO异常火爆。2019年,人们发现了很多区块链的短板,心存疑虑,开始去想区块链到底“能不能行”!在这种情况下,证明区块链能行的优秀项目必须要出现。而交易所就能要发挥连接这些优秀项目、让它们落地的角色。我认为这点非常重要。

I am not going to go too deep on institutionalization and integration, as they are obvious trends. Revised “Act on Reporting and Using Specified Financial Transaction Information” is underway , which implies the adoptionof direct/indirect licensing of Cryptos. In 2017-18, ICO was the topic of the year with lots ofpeople investing in Cryptos blindly. However, now people are well aware of the limitsof Blockchain and become more careful in betting on project’s success. Againstthis backdrop, it is time to launch “useful” projects, and Exchanges can bridge them with users.

Vivian:很多人非常期待2019年DAPP商用化会遍地开花。希望GOPAX能发挥好您刚说的桥梁作用。

Many people expect DApp to be commercialized this year. I hope GOPAX can play a big role toconnect DApp with people.

目前,币圈整体情况是好了点,但是长时间萎靡,交易所的日子也不好过。看看最近发表的报告书,大多数都是赤字,Gopax估计也是如此吧?

The market starts toturn bullish after long bearish periods. Exchanges also had hard times for thelast months. Major Exchanges have seen substantial loss as well according tothe latest audit report, and GOPAX was not the exception.

Junhaeng Lee:确实如此。我们不收上线手续费,所以在销售额方面比较辛苦。另外,在系统安全问题上我们做了不少投资,这也是一笔不小的支出。还有,去年年初,受当局诟病,我们也没有收手续费。

We have suffered from sluggish sales, as wedo not charge listing fees and any profit-making activities unlike other Exchanges while increasing investment on security and technology. At the beginning of 2018, we did not charge any listing fees when faced with criticism from the authorities.

Vivian:熊市持续时间长,损失不断加重,您有什么自救的办法吗?

How did you overcomethe loss amidst long bearish market?

Junhaeng Lee:我们的盈利来自汇款服务,赚取的钱用于投资。我们正在努力谨慎管理资金,而且我们的业绩非常独立。

We invest with moneyearned from remittance service. We are trying to manage funds carefully, andour performance is quite discrete.

Vivian:有人说熊市中,比特币牛市即将爆发。您觉得今年比特币市场将如何发展?

Having said thebearish market, a Bitcoin halvening is around the corner. What is your take onthe Bitcoin market this year?

Junhaeng Lee:这个问题大家从去年开始就在问了,但其实从交易所的角度看,我想说的都是一样的。从去年开始我就有说今年市价会反弹(不是投资建议,只是个人见解)。和之前马上就要下跌到1800美金时相比,情况没有那么糟糕。感觉比我想象中的反弹期要来得快,

I have been askedabout the outlook of Bitcoin from last year, and my stance has been almost thesame. I once said that it would bounce back starting this year (I have nointention to incite investment, just personal opinion), it is bouncing upwardsearlier than expected. We were preparing for the worst case scenario with itsvalue dropping to 1,800$, but luckily it does not seem to be that terrible.

Vivian:那么如您去年预测,今年反弹势在必行吗?

You expect to seecontinuous rebound this year?

Junhaeng Lee:我个人认为是这样的。

I think so.

Vivian:我想听一下您对Gopax金融基础设施发展展望有什么见解,今年GOPAX主要的目标是什么?

Share with us your insighton the outlook of financial infrastructure for Cryptos and GOPAX’s goal this year.

Junhaeng Lee:与西方国家不同,管制法规对韩国加密货币市场发展起到至关重要的作用。从修订《报告和使用特定金融交易信息相关法》开始,韩国将制定更多规则和法规,阶段性的实现法规标准化,以实现整合。从长远来看,存款市场不会具有竞争力,只有几个能存活下来。政府将通过存款市场来控制机构的加密货币的流量。我们今年的目标是回归交易所本源,支持有前途的项目,提供高质量的产品,扩大用户群。

Unlike the west,regulations will play a crucial role for the Cryptocurrency development inKorea. Starting with revised “Act on Reporting and Using Specified FinancialTransaction Information”, more rules and regulations will be made leading toupgraded environment and integration. Depository market is not going to becompetitive in the long term perspective, only a couple of will survive. Thegovernment will control the crypto flows of institutions through depository.Our goal this year is to go back to basics, support promising projects, providea high-quality products, and to expand the user base in terms of businessmatrix.

Vivian:最后,我们把提问的机会让给各位听众,仅限一个题目。

Let me take one last questionfrom the audience.

最近,在代币地址追踪等交易所相关信息中经常会提到韩国政府管理部门。对此,您有什么看法?

Recently, Korean regulators are mentioned often related to Coin Address Tracking system. What do you think about thistrend?

Junhaeng Lee:我认为这是非常自然而然的趋势。去年我在金融科技产业协会做区块链部门主管的时候,共享钱包黑名单和升级跟踪功能是交易所努力做的最核心部分。虽然我们没有通过媒体宣传,但这部分得到了权威解释,基本上获得了所有交易所的同意,我想现在正是它蓄势待发的时候。

It is a natural trend. Sharingwallet blacklist and upgrading tracking feature were the main agendas for me aswell as for other Exchanges last year. That was when I was serving as BlockchainDivision Chief at Korea Fintech Industry Association. We never promoted to themedia, but that feature received authoritativeinterpretation and was approved by almost every Exchanges. Finally it is gaining momentum.

Vivian:真是好消息!最后再次感谢您百忙抽空来参加今天的采访、感谢您今天的分享!

That is wonderful news. I would like to thank you again for joining us today and sharing yourinsightful ideas with us.

Junhaeng Lee:我也非常感谢您的邀请!

Thank you for inviting me to a wonderful interview.

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